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	Und vielleicht noch dieser Hinweis:		Und vielleicht noch dieser Hinweis:
	~~:Hans-Gert Gräbe~~: [http://www.dorfwiki.org/wiki.cgi?HansGertGraebe/PhiloDebatte/2014-04-10 Folien] zum Thema Technik und Kultur, Sprache und Denken. Vorgestellt und diskutiert am 10.04.2014 in unserer "Philodebatte".		:[http://www.dorfwiki.org/wiki.cgi?HansGertGraebe/PhiloDebatte/2014-04-10 Folien] zum Thema Technik und Kultur, Sprache und Denken. Vorgestellt und diskutiert am 10.04.2014 in unserer "Philodebatte".

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	Und vielleicht noch dieser Hinweis:		Und vielleicht noch dieser Hinweis:
	* Hans-Gert Gräbe: [http://www.dorfwiki.org/wiki.cgi?HansGertGraebe/PhiloDebatte/2014-04-10 Folien] zum Thema Technik und Kultur, Sprache und Denken. Vorgestellt und diskutiert am 10.04.2014 in unserer "Philodebatte".		:Hans-Gert Gräbe: [http://www.dorfwiki.org/wiki.cgi?HansGertGraebe/PhiloDebatte/2014-04-10 Folien] zum Thema Technik und Kultur, Sprache und Denken. Vorgestellt und diskutiert am 10.04.2014 in unserer "Philodebatte".

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	Mehr -> [http://bis.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/de/Gaeste/Nyiri06 Nyíri 2006 in Leipzig] - als [https://www.uni-leipzig.de/zhs/de/leibniz/56-200607-wintersemester-prof-dr-kristof-nyiri-hungarian-academy-of-sciences/ Leibniz-Professor] im Wintersemester 2006/07		Mehr -> [http://bis.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/de/Gaeste/Nyiri06 Nyíri 2006 in Leipzig] - als [https://www.uni-leipzig.de/zhs/de/leibniz/56-200607-wintersemester-prof-dr-kristof-nyiri-hungarian-academy-of-sciences/ Leibniz-Professor] im Wintersemester 2006/07

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			Und vielleicht noch dieser Hinweis:
			* Hans-Gert Gräbe: [http://www.dorfwiki.org/wiki.cgi?HansGertGraebe/PhiloDebatte/2014-04-10 Folien] zum Thema Technik und Kultur, Sprache und Denken. Vorgestellt und diskutiert am 10.04.2014 in unserer "Philodebatte".

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	"As he <Wittgenstein> puts it in a well-known passage of the ''Philosophical Investigations'': 'If language is to be a means of communication there must be agreement not only in definitions but also (queer as this may sound) in judgments. This seems to abolish logic, but does not do so. ... human beings ... agree in the language they use. That is not agreement in opinions but in forms of life.' It is interesting to note that		"As he <Wittgenstein> puts it in a well-known passage of the ''Philosophical Investigations'': 'If language is to be a means of communication there must be agreement not only in ''definitions'' but also (queer as this may sound) in ''judgments''. This seems to abolish logic, but does not do so. ... human beings ... agree in the language they use. That is not ''agreement in opinions'' but in ''forms of life''.' It is interesting to note that Heidegger, along with Wittgenstein the other great twentieth-century philosopher of post-literacy, had quite similar views, even if expressed in a rather different terminology. 'We do not merely speak the language', he wrote, 'we speak by way of it. ... We hear language speaking. ... language speaks.' Both for Wittgenstein and Heidegger, speaking, and thus thinking, is first, foremost, and to the end, a collective achievement. The primary agent of thinking is the ''community'' of speakers; the rules of traditional logic are a makeshift substitute in the mind of the solitary thinker for the absent voices of interlocutors. In the age of post-literacy linear logic is, once more, supplanted by the logic of conversation. As McLuhan's theory of the mediated mind foresaw: 'In the electric age ... our central nervous system is technologically extended to involve us in the whole of mankind ... the creative process of knowing will be collectively ... extended to the whole of human society'." (aus Kristóf Nyíri: The networked Mind)
	Heidegger, along with Wittgenstein the other great twentieth-century philosopher of post-literacy, had quite similar views, even if expressed in a rather different terminology. 'We do not merely speak the language', he wrote, 'we speak by way of it. ... We hear language speaking. ... language speaks.' Both for Wittgenstein and Heidegger, speaking, and thus thinking, is first, foremost, and to the end, a collective achievement. The primary agent of thinking is the community of speakers; the rules of traditional logic are a makeshift substitute in the mind of the solitary thinker for the absent voices of interlocutors. In the age of post-literacy linear logic is, once more, supplanted by the logic of conversation. As McLuhan's theory of the mediated mind foresaw: 'In the electric age ... our central nervous system is technologically extended to involve us in the whole of mankind... the creative process of knowing will be collectively ... extended to
	the whole of human society'." (aus Kristóf Nyíri: The networked Mind)

	Mehr -> [http://bis.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/de/Gaeste/Nyiri06 Nyíri 2006 in Leipzig] - als [https://www.uni-leipzig.de/zhs/de/leibniz/56-200607-wintersemester-prof-dr-kristof-nyiri-hungarian-academy-of-sciences/ Leibniz-Professor] im Wintersemester 2006/07		Mehr -> [http://bis.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/de/Gaeste/Nyiri06 Nyíri 2006 in Leipzig] - als [https://www.uni-leipzig.de/zhs/de/leibniz/56-200607-wintersemester-prof-dr-kristof-nyiri-hungarian-academy-of-sciences/ Leibniz-Professor] im Wintersemester 2006/07

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== DenkTankStelle von Attac-Leipzig ==

:'''Thema''': Sprache
:'''Ort und Zeit''': Mo, 05. Mai 2014, 19 Uhr im Café Grundmann

=== Ankündigung ===

Liebe Freundinnen und Freunde unserer DenkTankStelle,

der das letzte Mal von einem aus unserer Gruppe mit leichter Zunge geäußerte Vorschlag, doch einmal über ''Sprache'' zu disputieren, fand schnell Zustimmung. Ob er oder wir uns in diesem Moment klar waren, dass wir uns da nicht nur ein dickes Brett zu bohren vorgenommen haben, sondern einen ganzen Baumstamm von beachtlicher Dicke und Härte? Aber vielleicht bohren wir gar nicht, sondern versuchen lediglich den Stamm zu erfassen, zu umfassen, zu staunen darüber, was alles dazu gehört und was das mit uns macht? Wir müssen uns also bescheiden – wie immer – und versuchen, die richtigen Worte zu finden, die Sprache nun einmal ausmachen. http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sprachphilosophie

Neue Neugierige sind wie immer herzlich willkommen.

Johannes, 24.04.2014

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"As he <Wittgenstein> puts it in a well-known passage of the ''Philosophical Investigations'': 'If language is to be a means of communication there must be agreement not only in definitions but also (queer as this may sound) in judgments. This seems to abolish logic, but does not do so. ... human beings ... agree in the language they use. That is not agreement in opinions but in forms of life.' It is interesting to note that
Heidegger, along with Wittgenstein the other great twentieth-century philosopher of post-literacy, had quite similar views, even if expressed in a rather different terminology. 'We do not merely speak the language', he wrote, 'we speak by way of it. ... We hear language speaking. ... language speaks.' Both for Wittgenstein and Heidegger, speaking, and thus thinking, is first, foremost, and to the end, a collective achievement. The primary agent of thinking is the community of speakers; the rules of traditional logic are a makeshift substitute in the mind of the solitary thinker for the absent voices of interlocutors. In the age of post-literacy linear logic is, once more, supplanted by the logic of conversation. As McLuhan's theory of the mediated mind foresaw: 'In the electric age ... our central nervous system is technologically extended to involve us in the whole of mankind... the creative process of knowing will be collectively ... extended to
the whole of human society'." (aus Kristóf Nyíri: The networked Mind)

Mehr -> [http://bis.informatik.uni-leipzig.de/de/Gaeste/Nyiri06 Nyíri 2006 in Leipzig] - als [https://www.uni-leipzig.de/zhs/de/leibniz/56-200607-wintersemester-prof-dr-kristof-nyiri-hungarian-academy-of-sciences/ Leibniz-Professor] im Wintersemester 2006/07